Right. But they had to find somebody with the right lips. And that was a great experience, playing with the fourth grade band at the Clinton grammar school. After doing that for a while, as I said, they got a French horn for me, because they're related. The mellophone is like a half size French horn. And then the band director for the regional band at the big high school, which was sort of maybe a half a mile away in the town there, was recruiting all the time to keep this really huge concert stage band going. A feeder. Feeding in from other schools in the region. And so he sent over a French horn and got me started on that, and then whenever they had a rehearsal there was always somebody to take me over to the high school or a car or a way to rehearse with the high school band, this big concert band. And it was really a thrill. I didn't read then, so what I did was learn my part by ear...