This was actually it. So I started being nourished this way. And then it wasn't like a thing where I had to, later on in my life go back to study the early jazz, I was sort of in it when I was a kid already, although I must say I have heard other recordings and I have made more researches into the past, but I already had a pretty solid foundation in that when I was a kid. And don't forget, one of my personal favorites of the same time as a kid coming up was Spike Jones. I mean that was my input. This other stuff was from my father. But my music, my personal favorite, was Spike you see. And it was, I think maybe Duke Ellington that prepared me for Spike because if you listen to the early Ellington recordings you got a lot of funny voices on there you know, plunger horns, and very ... talking, lots of colors, lots of funny segues and leaping and jumping. And I sort of equated those two things together as a kid. Because when you're a kid, you love cartoons, and you love that kind of vibrancy you know. You need a lot of colors as a kid, you expect a lot of colors. And that was all in the mix.