The October Revolution in Jazz was the idea of Cecil Taylor and Bill Dixon to get a lot of us together who were not able to find work in music, in the venues of New York City, and thought that well if we could gather together that maybe we could open things up for ourselves. And we were together long enough to initiate a series of concerts that I will never forget and people from all over the state came to hear it. And it all happened I think in 1964, yeah. It would have been the fall of 1964. And when the initial series was done then we went on to have nightly concerts in the dance studio that still exists on the top floor of the same building where the Village Vanguard is, Edith Stevens' Dance Studio is what it was then. And we played on into the spring up there with different combinations. And it brought a real, to me, when Sun Ra and Bill Dickson, Mike Mantler and Burton Green and myself and all these different people were brought together into one place, it gave me a sense that there was something going on here, that we weren't some kind of isolated entities struggling in a void. I really got a sense that there was a connected thing going on, minds meeting -- a cultural reality of more than one vote. And that gave me a lot of encouragement. On the other hand there was, because all of these people had developed their own ways of survival and doing business, etc., it was very hard for them to do -- you know when they all got into a room together and they finished saying how you doing, and what's going on and all that, then you get into some fierce discussion and some pretty fierce arguments and then it became more like a group therapy kind of a thing. And so it was hard for all of the egos to merge themselves to the common goal of opening up more venues, getting federal grants and whatever it is that you have to have in the way of support to make something happen like this. But at least we were able to initiate something. We had a good beginning and a lousy follow through. But as many philosophers have said, the beginnings are the main thing. There are really no endings. The thing is to begin and see where it goes.