I liked working with Benny a lot because I loved, he was playing great at that time and I got along with Benny, who was hard to get along with, everybody knows that. Most people know that and don't know what instrument he played. But when I used to sit in with Lionel Hampton's band, he said to me one night "I hear you're going with the old man. " I said "yeah I'm going to go to Europe with Benny. " I was 21. And here's what he said to me. He said "now if he gets weird on you, get weirder. " I said "this is the key? " He said "this is the key. " He said "didn't I get along great with him? " I said "yeah, you seemed to have a good relationship with him. " He said "well just ... if he gets a little out, go a little outer. " So when this happened and I was late at a rehearsal, and I walked through the thing and he looked at me and he put the glasses down with the famous ray, and he started in, I said "Jesus, Benny, are we just here to jerk around or are we going to rehearse? " May God be my judge, that's what I said. I tried to go as far out as I could.  And he said, here's what he said. He said "the kid's right. Let's play. " And he never said a word. And I was over 35, 40 minutes late. And this was Paris, his biggest concert. So you know he was going to chew my thing out real good, and I did a Hamp, and I went out on him, and I went out. And I'll tell you, every, I did it one other time in a lesser way, and he never bothered me. I think he thought the kid is definitely crazy but he's a nice little drummer, leave him alone. But he picked on everybody else, see. He cut out Roy Eldridge's solos in certain places because he was getting too much applause. He cut out Zoot Sims' solos all through Scandinavia because Zoot was more popular than he was.  And may God be my judge, this is the truth I'm telling you. You know he was a very strange man. But thank God for Hamp -- Hamp straightened me out, just go a little further baby and it worked like a charm. Isn't that a funny story?