I never, he never told me a thing about playing. I mean a lot of people said to me "you are going to get crucified by him. You're a Bebop drummer. " I said "no, no, no, no. I'm known as a Bebop drummer but I know how to play for Benny Goodman. " What do you do? You play simpler, you play straighter. I mean you got to be a rocket scientist? You don't play behind Benny Goodman the way you'd play behind Bud Powell. I mean I don't understand when people think that. Yeah, maybe of course I came in out of that big Sid background and influence where you try to play for the people. You don't just say here it is baby. So with Benny, you play a little more down the center. Look at Dick Hyman. Dick Hyman was playing with a lot of Beboppers in New York, but when he worked with Benny Goodman, Benny Goodman was just crazy about him. He said "oh man you can play that Teddy Wilson style and you can..." You know he knew how to feed him and how to give him the style. Sure. That's part of that skill I was talking about.