In grammar school there was no classes for music or anything. There was a singing class. I remember that. We'd sing little tunes, like you do - what do you call that?, where each one would take - one row would sing, "Row, row, row your boat. " That kind of stuff. Singing in the class. We would do those kind of things. But [there was] no actual teaching of music per se until   you got to high school. When you got to high school, that's when - like the schools that people like Nat King Cole and Bill - William Hinton [sic: <span class="fullMatch" id="match_48">Milt Hinton</span>] and all those different musicians that I worked with later on or were friends of mine later on. Those schools all taught music. They had professors teaching nothing but music. Then they had the bands - school bands and that kind of thing. But that was in the high school.