1932. I got married in the middle of the Depression. I did not have a job. My only income was when I could hustle up a gig playing music. So I had to think of something - try to think of some way to earn a living. So I went to this bakery place to get a job delivering bread. In those days you had people deliver stuff to your back alley. They'd come down the alley delivering milk. They'd deliver your bread. They'd deliver all kinds of vegetables. Carts and trucks would pull up. You'd go down and get your vegetables and all that. I came up with the idea. So I went to this company that was - a small company that was trying bread. This man was scuffling, but he was in the business of making bread. He didn't have a slicer - a bread slicer, to slice bread. That was just coming into vogue. I made a deal to get a bread slicer. That was my job. I got the job, because I had [? ] believe that I had the bread slicer. I took this bread slicer and sold him the idea to him. He gave me a job and gave me the bread slicer. I did the delivery of the bread through the alleys and the streets like that. So that's what the bread - that's where that particular thing came about, as far as when I first got married and [was] trying to do. In the meantime, I was never - during all the different periods of time that we're talking about, where music was involved - music was always somewhere there. I was always doing something musically to make a living. But you couldn't make a living out of music alone. It's almost as bad as it is now. You could not make a living out of music alone at that time. So you had to hustle every kind of way that you could. That's what I was doing.