My first meeting with Gladys was at her home. I went there to meet with her to discuss her organization and her club becoming a part of a promotion I was trying to do, which was a turkey raffle, so it had to be close to the Thanksgiving period. I met her for the first time. I'd never - I didn't know who she was. [I] just got it out of the newspaper that she had this social club and they were having events, so it . . .