To begin with, most artists didn't know anything about personal management. They had to be booked, so they knew booking agents, but they didn't know actually what a relationship with a personal manager was or should be. So in most cases, when they were coming up and things were starting, they were just - anything I said - all my advice was accepted and was thought to be the greatest. But as soon as they became - I had a saying for it at that time. I said, as soon as   they reach - at that time, it was $5,000 - I said, as soon as they reach $5,000 - a period where they're earning that amount of money at that time . . .