The period of time when they hired black people to be in their promotional department. This is how it was developed, because they had artists like Nancy Wilson and Nat King Cole, so they wanted to bring - to give these people a job in the department, rather than just bringing them in - Sidney Miller, and - what was the boy's name that screwed up with me with the - I can't remember his name. But anyway, Sidney Miller I know was one that got in the record business that way.