But time went on, and Lionel Hampton decided I had to be with the band. He then hired myself and Benny Carter. That I do remember, because it amazed me that he was hiring two and three people at a time. But before us, Winnie - what was her name? - Winnie Brown? Yeah. All of those and, of course, you can't forget Hampton and Dinah - Dinah Washington. That was a team. That was a unique love of music, those two, Dinah Washington. Again, like I say, I go back. I remember they had a magazine they used to sell. You could get it for a quarter or 35 cents. Some 5 and 10s sold it more than the others. What I mean is, they sold it higher-priced than the other stores. I was fortunate to be in an era where they didn't sell it for 35 or 40 cents. They sold it - if you had a dime, you could get it. I'd get this thing. It had all the lyrics to songs that were being presented to the public on the radio - big bands, Benny Goodman, and all of those artists. At that time they were the top thing of music. Pops [Louis Armstrong] - different ones like that. You kind of had to be aware of the things. There were things that they were doing that seemed very serious to me. So out of realizing that, I learned that the business was a serious business. It wasn't just a plaything. The music was good, yes, but it also was very - to me, it was very educative.