Yeah, really. And more humanity, and more pop, you know it has that more living. I don't know how -- it's just a certain presence. It's like more present or something. Really that's what attracted me to this horn. And of course Charlie Parker is the one that really made this horn famous you know. And I really do think that part of that pop and that articulation that you associate with Bird and Cannonball, oh, shoot, well I'll tell you what ...