The desire, and also to want to look at it after it's done, you know what I mean? It's all this vanity. It's vanity. If you did these things and just said [grunts] and then walked away and never want to hear it, never want to see it, you could say it's devoid somewhere. But it becomes art. I think of black and white photos like art, as opposed to maybe color photos. I'm being a little bit -- only because black and white is something that man does. It's more of an imprint of a human being or something. Color is something that's already here. I mean it's in nature you see. So I mean black and white photos are more arty. It's just my subjective opinion. But there's more of an artness to them in some sort of way. You know there's a starkness and stuff. So when you look at it like that, certainly music and writing and painting and all that stuff is an art.