Right. Yes. You have to know the literature that you're dealing with. So I mean it's just like anything else, you might go to school for journalism or for whatever, or for what he's doing. It doesn't make any difference what it is. You have two dimensions to conquer.  You have the physical dimension or the physical media that you're dealing with, whether it's music, if it's writing, if it's -- it doesn't make any difference. There's a certain thing that has to be overcome and you have to get the professionalism and the command over whatever medium it is. And then after that's done then that's not really the real main event. The main event is what do you do with that now? What kind of pictures do you take, or what kind of story. You can go to school and learn how to write, but okay now after you know the elements of how to write a short story or a long story, essay, this and that, all right, you know mechanically what to do, when, where, you know this is supposed to unfold in this manner and climax here and this here. But now that doesn't mean you're going to be a great writer. It just means you know the elements of writing.  It's the same with music. You can learn Two-Five-One's, chorus, and yes you should learn that and you will learn it and you do learn it. But that doesn't mean you're going to be a great soloist. It doesn't mean you're going to be a great artist. It doesn't mean any of that, because there's another aspect of all of that that has nothing to do with the physicality or the medium through which you're dealing, it's got something to do with all that other stuff, all that abstract stuff that you can't hold or touch, that there's no way in school they can show you. You can learn facts, figures and knowledge. But discrimination and wisdom can not be taught. That is something that you come wired with, or if indeed there is such a thing as people learning how to do it -- I'm still out on that, I don't know if you come wired with it, or if indeed something can be -- there's some sort of way of learning, or your environment and all this stuff. Maybe that has something to do with something. But I know that you can't teach -- I don't know that you can teach these things. How to write a great story. How to play a great solo. How to write great music. That's something else, and that's something that you deal, as an artist, this is what you're dealing with after you get past academia and all of that stuff. Then it's like how to get the best out of yourself when you want to, all the time. And how to have a certain, to maintain a certain level of whatever it is.