That's right. If you were on your side of the street, and another gang comes over, well you were lucky if you got home all right. But you see my grandmother wanted to see that I got an education and that I was always on the right side of the street. But as I tell you, at that time you were having gang fights in Chicago, so my grandmother picked out and inquired about a private school, and I was admitted there to a Catholic boy's training school. And in the schooling, well first of all, this place that I went in the school was a Catholic seminary. And it had a dominion of sisters who were our teachers and also taught music instruments. So the school was forming a drum & bugle corps and I picked up the drums, I always wanted to beat the drums. And so a sister taught me the rudiments of the drum. She was very, very good. You see drummers, they have scales too, and they're called the rudiments. The rudiments of drums. And so Sister Pietro was her name, and boy she was a great teacher. You know you were supposed play the scale of the drums, and they called it the paradiddles.