Well no, because most of the students were really like this, I mean they are trying to keep on his good side. Not everybody -- everybody gets a different impression and responds to the situation differently. But everybody had respect for him. And so they wanted to be in the band, so if you got thrown out for not paying attention or just fooling around, you would go back to make sure you got in the band. And being in there, it really developed your ability. One of the things, we had a lot of times we would have maybe three saxophone players, tenor players, on one stand. Now everybody wasn't going to be able to play the concert or the assembly, so you had to really have it together, play well, and whatever necessary to be there. Because the least little thing that you didn't do right, he would take you off the stand. Sometimes it might be a couple of tenor players. But you just kept your nose to the grindstone. But it was a wonderful experience. We had what was called "hi-jinx" once a year, during the summer. And the hi-jinx, everybody in school that had talent would participate in the hi-jinx. The application would go around to all of the classes. And if you sang, if you played an instrument or whatever -- and of course the booster band played for it. And we'd have a story line. So it was nice, it prepared you for show business, whatever you did, whether you sang or danced or whatever. So it was really great.