By taking all (of it) from records. (It) took me a long time to take it, because I didnt have that quick (an) ear. And many times, you know, play it, and then take it on the sheet music, and then I tried to play that, as many as I could. That is the way I learned, mainly, the jazz language. Also, the different tunes, you know, different.... Because there wasnt anything, books, or anything like that in those days. Interesting   thing is, like--I said Mister Fukui, I told you about, so I was there (Beppu), and then I moved to Fukuoka and I was in the officers club, and I did the same thing, listen to records and take out, now... and I tried to play it on piano. And thats how I learned. Meanwhile, Mister Fukui sent me the book, How to Play Jazz Piano (possibly Modern Piano Method, 1933), it was a piano kysoku hon (method book), you know, like a lesson book, written by Vincent Lopez. Id never heard (of him) before. And as ... you have to remember that Id just started, I didnt know anything about anything. And when I think of it now, apparently this was like a ragtime piano book, and, uh, this was the first time I saw, what do you call, you know, stride, un-cha, un-cha, un-cha, stride. Yeah, I saw, the first time in my life I saw this, and it had "Twelfth Street Rag" and things like that in there. So, this was really exciting to me, and I was trying to play. And, uh, Mister Fukui much, much later, he was talking to me about his memories, which Id forgotten completely. He said, "I sent you a book, and a week later you sent me (it) back. So I thought, Maybe she didnt like it. " And I said to him, I said, "No, I copied everything," so I said .... Now, when I start thinking, thats true, that happened. So, he was really encouraged, he probably felt like a Professor Higgins! (laughs) Anyway, so ... that was very exciting, doing all this. But its mainly, learn (to) improvise or something by getting to know the players. In those days I had no discrimination, I copied everybody ... and, uh, to get used to jazz language. Then, as I mentioned earlier, on "Near You" I would try to, you know, play my own, but not truly improvise, but it was practicing my improvisation, and I kind of performed that, but do what I was going to do. Something like that. So, by doing this, I learned a little at a time, I became my own. I think its one of the good things, I think about, is when you dont have a book, youre not learning from a book. But if you learn something from a book, you go one process, you go with the head, then you have to digest that one. But (if) youre doing (it) by yourself, copying a book, copying a record and trying to play it, theres no one cushion. So once you did that, its already yours, digested. I think its the hardest way but probably the best way. Charles Mingus, when later on I was with his group, and we used to rehearse (at) his apartment, he had no written music or anything, he sang (the melody), and you have to remember that. You know, I think thats the best way, to .... Small group, I guess, you cant do that with a large ensemble (laughs).