Oh. Like the first, well the very first band when I was 14 I was working with a group  named Charlie Miller. And we wasn't playing Dixieland or New Orleans as you may call  it, we were swinging. We had a similar Dixieland combination. We had trombone,  trumpet, and I was playing saxophone. But actually it was a Dixieland combination. But  we didn't play Dixieland music. We played just Swing songs and popular songs at that  period, you know? Like at that period we had songs like maybe "Margie" was back there,  you know see? So we had a good band then. And I was only 14 then. I was working. I  was really a kid in the band see?