live. There was music all the time records. And my father would pick me up when I was three and four years old, we had a huge mirror in our living room, and he'd pick me up and dance with me to Stompy Jones or a Billie Holiday record or an Art Tatum record. And I used to love to see myself in the mirror you know. And I guess this is what put the sound of the music in my ear. At, I think he told me I was four years old, he could tell me, "Jimmy, go play your favorite record." And I'd go among all the records and pull out this one record, it was a picture record. It had a picture on both sides. One side had a landscape scene and the other side had a picture of a White woman. And it was a record by Charlie Shavers. The one side was "She's Funny That Way," and the other side it was a song called "Dizzy's Dilemma." And that was my favorite record. I'd take it and put it on, the '78, and put the needle on it, and sometimes I had to change the needle, put the arm down on it and play my record, my favorite record. So I think that that was the sound of the trumpet that was in my ear, because I don't remember any other trumpet players at that time. As time went on I remember, many years after that, telling Charlie Shavers that story.