Well basically, being a band leader is much more than playing the right notes, like you said. And that's what a lot of people, I was witness to a concert that Roy Hargrove did as one of his first concerts after recording and having a band. And the programming was abominable. He did not know how to program his music to make this audience feel like they wanted to be a part of what was happening on the bandstand. And he had to do a workshop after that. He had no idea how to do a workshop. And fortunately for him, Rodney Whittaker was the bassist in his band at that time who knew something about education and put this thing together and took over the workshop and it became something very meaningful. But this is an example of being placed in that position to do things that a so-called star is supposed to do and not knowing what to do because you just haven't had the experience. I'm sure by now Roy knows how to program better, and I do feel that he can do workshops better. But that being the first, that was a problem.