Yeah, that was his pet word, listen. He would use discord to get your attention, and then say "listen. " So we used to figure, does this cat think we're deaf or something? And pretty soon he would let us know. All he was concerned about was total listening. And he would say it isn't funny. He wanted to make sure that you are aware of everything that's going on, what your little part that you're contributing to the overall performance, what it means. I use this joke as a good way of relating to people to get them to understand what Ellington meant by listening. Two tuba players met in the supermarket one day after their day off. And one said to the other "what did you do last night? " He said "oh, the old lady dragged me out to the opera. " "Yeah, what'd they do? " "They did `Carmen. '" "Yeah? " he said "yeah, that's the one we enjoy so much in measure 356 where we go `boom, boom, boom, bo bo bo bump. " He said "yeah," he said "do you know what the rest of them idiots were playing? " He said "no. " [sings the "March of the Toreadors"]. So that is a good lesson as to how, they were so concerned about how this cat didn't even know that that was the harmony, you know? All he knew was boom boom. And so often we go through scenes like that where we are totally oblivious to what is going on with ... what their little part means to the overall performance.