I used to think growing up in a Black community, everybody went to church. That's what I used to think you know, because that's all we knew. The church has been the centerpiece for Black life for so many years. But then there are some musicians that did not come up like that. And you ask them to play something -- "Precious Lord" or something like that, and they don't know what you're talking about. You understand what I'm saying? But for those of us that grew up in churches, and the majority of us did, the music of the church is definitely heard in jazz. The rhythm and like I said, some of the people were in Gospel so they look down upon jazz and jazz players. And it's unfortunate that they have these feelings about jazz musicians and people that sing the blues. I'm sure God thinks just as much of a B.B. King as he thinks of some top notch Gospel singer.  You know what I'm saying? It disturbs me. Because it's very selfish and ... I'd better stop.