Yes it was. That was one of the things that opened up to the jazz musicians. We were offered -- I've been offered many jobs in universities. But I never went to high school so I couldn't take them. I'd have to tell the truth and say I'm not really -- I don't have the credentials for this. You know I had the experience for it and things like that but I don't have the credentials and I'm not going to lie about a thing like that. But I would always, when I was offered a job like that I would recommend somebody that did have the credentials that also had the ability.