Well what I do, I'm writing a score right now and it's for two flutes, clarinet, bass clarinet, nine violins, three violas, two cellos, bass, three trombones, three trumpets, piano, bass, drums, guitar, percussion. And what I do is I think everything starts off, usually to me, I mean in life, things usually don't hit you right over the head. They usually start off as something, maybe as a smaller approach to a conversation or whatever, rather than just coming in and really throwing a lot of words at you. You know, so I start off with the thing being not too -- I don't like to start off with everything at once. I like for it to start small and develop. Because I think it does a lot of good for the human ear and for the people that are going to listen when they have a chance, if you give them a chance to get used to it before you throw the whole thing at them. Some people like to throw the whole thing right in the beginning. When I'm playing it's the same way.  I like to start my concerts not too fast, not too loud, not too big. Just give the people a chance to let their ears get used to the music. And then as they do then you can given them some more dissonant things, some more volume and stuff like that, in and out of those things. So I like to let a thing develop from a small beginning, in and out, and use more of the instruments, not use them all through the whole thing, change and like that.