Oh yeah. That orchestra I think Jimmy Owens had a great deal to do with that orchestra.  And I got to write quite a few things for them. It was a wonderful experience because I was free to do whatever I wanted to, usually some kind of direction in the program, but it was a chance to have the freedom as far as the things that I wanted to try, the things that I wanted to experiment with and all of that. It was a wonderful opportunity for me so I think I had a chance to do a lot of good things there, to learn a lot was one of the main things. And the guys were very willing to try all kinds of things.