I've had wonderful luck, and traveled all over the world, in one of my lives or another.  And with a little luck, this group will continue on. And even if we don't continue on I think that we've opened up a whole avenue for people our age. I don't think we'll be looked upon, we haven't really on an individual basis been kept out of any, I'm trying to say we flourished in spite of everything. But to this business of formation of the Statesmen of Jazz is to pay homage to people that have prevailed and have succeeded and to give heart to those who haven't been as fortunate and who keep on plodding, because, what is that old saying, you can't learn it if you're not in it. I don't know whether that's an old saying.