Well I'd only been in New York 24 hours and the first job I had was with Milt Hinton.  And Osie Johnson was on drums. And I thought, oh, I've got it made. Well I can't tell you how long I waited for a job after that. But then I did, I was engaged by Muzak Corporation. And I graduated from programmer until I became a producer and then I became the vice president. So that's another whole career in music.