Yeah. He cared enough to get angry. And so that was a great experience. Then I heard  Benny Goodman. Oh I heard Johnny Mince first. He played with Tommy Dorsey's band.  And my brother and I would go to the Earl Theater in Philadelphia and sit there all day on  a Saturday, five, six shows, and see every show. And I watched Johnny Mince play with  Tommy Dorsey and I thought I'd really like to do that, play jazz. And then of course  Benny Goodman, and then Benny Goodman was, I would say responsible for putting the  jazz clarinet on the map. Then Artie Shaw. And Artie Shaw to me was, he might still be  my favorite today. So one thing led to another and I wanted to play jazz. I told my  grandfather who flipped out, "crazy. " Although he began to like Benny Goodman. In fact  I used to tell Count Basie this story all the time. Basie loved -- no matter how many  times I'd tell Bill the story, he loved it. I'd come home from a long trip with one of the  bands -- Johnny "Scat" Davis or Gene Krupa's band or Charlie Barnet. And my  grandfather would greet me at the door and he'd say in Italian dialect, in an Italian accent  "okay Biga shota" Biga shota he called me. "You're looking pretty good -- I seen your  picture in the paper -- what do you got in the pocket? "