Yeah. And even when things were really fading here for Bebop so to speak, or modern jazz, we could go to Europe, and we're always recognized in Europe. Seventy percent of my income was in Europe for many years. 1950 around that area is when I decided I wanted a big band, but William Alexander came to me and said "I'm putting together a small group for Count Basie because big bands are kind of folding. " Which I didn't want to believe. I wanted my big band because I idolized Benny Goodman and Artie Shaw.  But he was right. So he put me with the Basie Band in 1950 and the guy I told you about, Lenny Lewis, he was managing, he was the manager.