Oh, yes. I was with Al Winn's Creole Jazz Band when we made that recording. I knew Ma Rainey because I sat in the Bijou Theater playing shows with the pit band. I wasn't getting paid, I did it because they let me do it. And I just did it to try to learn as much as I could. And Ma Rainey, she came, she was the ugliest Blues singer on earth when she got old, but when she was young she was pretty. You see her picture, she was the prettiest, nice looking girl. But she is so ugly, that that's what they call the ugliest Blues singer, and they billed her as that.