Well I must have been about fourteen, between fourteen and sixteen years of age. And we had a family band in my home town in Sherman, Texas. And it was a nice little old band, it was a good band, and we would play towns like, well I'd say from Sherman to we'd go to Oklahoma City and Ardmore, Oklahoma, and places like that. And my first professional band that I worked with was with a band called T. Holders Twelve Clouds of Joy, who later became Andy Kirk's Twelve Clouds of Joy. And I left home with them when I was about, well between as I say fourteen and sixteen, and went to the coldest place in the world, I felt, was Duluth, Minnesota, which it was fifty below zero. And I felt the world was coming to an end. And from there, where'd I go from Andy Kirk ... from T. Holder I worked with Victor Spivey's Tantown Revue, and that's when, I think that's when I first met Lester, Lester Young. And he was with King Oliver, in Tulsa, Oklahoma. He came down and we had some sessions together. And from there I went back to T. Holder again, and off and on I worked with bands like Lucky Millinder, and Benny, Benny Goodman, and then I formed my own group, Celebrity Club, that was in Harlem, and I worked there for twenty-one years with my group. And from then on I've been doing solos and things like this, by myself, and traveling more until I had several health problems, and that cut off the traveling. So that's where I am today, that's about it.