Be integrated more? Yeah, it should be. Well you know they have it in the smaller groups they don't have the big bands really to mix it more, with more, because we don't have big bands. But that's one thing that they never paid much attention to, you know? Of course Benny would do what he wanted to do, and so did Jimmy, Jimmy Dorsey. He had a girl named, Black girl named June Richmond and boy she could sing, boy. And he brought her from California all through Texas and everywhere with him. So you've got to give him credit for that. This was Jimmy, not Tommy, Jimmy, his brother, you know? And of course Tommy had Charlie Shavers writing in his band, and Sy Oliver was writing all these arrangements. So there was more integration, more. Of course we had more musicians and as I say you had bigger bands and things like that. So I don't know, let's see whose got a small group and got it integrated, let's see ... Nancy? I think she's got an integrated small group. And Carmen McRae -- Carmen had an integrated small group. So you know it's just, the integration is according like with the time now, because you don't have big bands, you don't have many integrated musicians because of that.