Yeah. I was thinking that the tubular - long tube would give me the sound I was looking for. Yet I could put those tom-toms on top of that 20-inch bass drum and not make everything too high, because I always wanted my cymbals to be in a position so I can play rhythm, because today some drummers have - I don't know how they do that. They play with the cymbals very high, but they still get a sound. To me, I go with Jo Jones, who said, "I like that ride cymbal right there, staring me in the face. " And I like the Chinese cymbal right over here, and an 18-inch cymbal over here, so I've got three ride cymbals. I remember when <span class="fullMatch" id="match_183">Buddy Rich</span> one time on the <span class="otherMatch" rel="popover" id="other_851_580454"><span class="otherMatch" rel="popover" id="other_851_580722">Tonight Show</span></span> - Eddie Shaughnessy was playing drums. Ed Shaughnessy's a big guy - he sat in on Ed Shaughnessy's drums. He said he had to jump up in the air to hit one cymbal. Ed Shaughnessy got a big kick out of that.