Oh, Big Sid Catlett. He would take me - I remember going to Atlantic City to hear Benny Goodman's band. Big Big Sid Catlett Catlett Big Sid Catlett was playing with Benny Goodman. During one of the intermissions, Big Big Sid Catlett Catlett Big Sid Catlett said, "Come here, kid. " He said, "Here's how you play the hi-hat. " You've got to have a special touch for the hi-hat. "Here's how you play the brushes. " That guy was a champ with the brushes, Jo Jones. He came into the nightclub with Bobby Cranshaw. Quartet. John Bunch on piano and Ted Nash on saxophone. Let me tell you. He came in with a newspaper rolled under his arm. When I introduced him, he said, "I'll play the newspaper. You play the snare drum, Lou. I'll play the wall and the newspaper. " I wish I had recorded that. He was out of sight. He did more with a newspaper and brushes and the wall than most guys could do with a full set of drums. Fabulous.