That's right. He was another little guy. Soaking wet, he weighed 98 pounds. They used to hire another drummer to come in, because after the first hour he'd get drunk and fall down in back of the bass drum. But he's the first guy to play damp drums, bass drum. By that I mean, years ago guys used to tune their drums - if you had a skin head, and you had to play outdoors in the sun, that drum head would tighten up and you'd get a  real peashooters sound. But Dave Tough would carry a little pail of water and a shammy skin, and he'd wet that head down so you got a good damp sound. First guy to do that. Also he's the first guy - two guys, <span class="fullMatch" id="match_300">Jo Jones</span> and Dave Tough - to play the out chorus, the shout chorus, on brushes. Usually when you play the shout chorus on brushes, you were [? ] - give me the [?]. No, they played the shout chorus with brushes. It's really obvious in recordings with <span class="fullMatch" id="match_302">Woody Herman</span>: <span class="otherMatch" rel="popover" id="other_1127_768943">Apple Honey</span> - that's what Dave Tough is doing. He had a different concept of drumming, but it was beautiful. He had a great right foot. On one of those things - maybe Apple Honey or one of those things - at the very end, after they played the last chord, the bass drum goes [Bellson sings a rapidly repeated note]. His [? ] foot. Tremendous. I asked Tommy Dorsey and Benny Goodman about Davey once, and they both said he made you swing. That was his forte. He made you swing. Yet he didn't have enough knowledge on drums. He wanted to learn how to play tympani before he died, but he never made it. A fabulous drummer. He never got his just dues, too. He was always in the background. The guys that knew, they said yeah, he was up there. Shelly Manne loved him, as other players did.