It's great that we're able to get this perspective from somebody who was there, got to see them, knew all of them, and worked with them. Now that we've talked about drummers, I'm going to come back to your career again and talk about the late '40s. At that time you've already worked with Tommy Dorsey. You worked with him from '47 to 49. Then you co-led a sextet with Charlie Shavers? Is that - you started working in a small band?