Arthur Fiedler, because he got John Lamb and I together in a room and said, I'm not going to conduct my lousy 4/4 with my hand. You guys know the tempos. I'm going to follow you. " That was good to hear, because I played in a couple of symphonies  and the symphony conductor was rigid to the point where there were zero. They didn't listen to the drums or the piano or the bass or the guitar. They went on ahead with their hands. They're all out of time, and stiff. Arthur Fiedler made a motion, but he followed us. I gave him a lot of respect for that. That was wonderful.