The first Sacred Concert was [at] Grace Cathedral in San Francisco. I knew that cathedral. It was all stone. So in my mind I'm saying, boy, if I hit a rim shot in that room, I could go out and have dinner, come back, and it's still in the room. So I talked to Duke Ellington about that. Duke Ellington said, "Yeah. You know, I played with my band for years. We would learn to play for what kind of room we're in. If we're playing in a room where it was a lot of glass, then we pointed horns away from the glass and pointed - find the spot. " Snooky Young could do that. He found the spot where he could be better with his sound. Duke Ellington said, "What you're going to have to do is listen with your playing. Also, you know that my music is based on the first three words of the Bible, `in the beginning. ' In the beginning we had lightning and thunder. That's you, Lou. " "I'm no longer a drum solo in a church. " That's what I thought first. I thought, in those days, if I was playing a drum solo in a church - if you're a gospel band, that's different. So Duke Ellington says, "Let me digest that. " He says, "Lightning and thunder now. " I don't know if you heard that first Grace Cathedral concert. There's a long drum solo in there in the beginning. I kept that in mind. I made my phrases like I was lightning and thunder. Duke Ellington could do that. He could climb into your body and make you kick. If you joined the band, he'd find out what you can do, the best things you can do, and he'd write for you. That's why he could learn to write for <span class="fullMatch" id="match_1196">Lawrence Brown</span>, learn to write for <span class="fullMatch" id="match_1195">Johnny Hodges</span>, Harry Carney, Paul Gonsalves, Russell Procope. He knew what to do.