Okay. This is tape six of the jazz oral history interview for the Smithsonian Institution with Louie Bellson in his home in San Jose. We're on tape six. We've covered quite a lot of history here, but there's still quite a lot more to go. One of the real significant achievements in your career is that relationship you had with Remo Belli, in you shaping the direction of drum manufacturing. If you could talk about how you and Remo met, and how that relationship came about.