Leon "Leon "Ndugu" Chancler" Chancler's wonderful. Leon "Leon "Ndugu" Chancler" Chancler's not only a great player, but he's a great teacher. He's now one of the teachers at USC. He conducts a brilliant clinic. He's a fabulous player. He told me that one of the toughest things he had to do - you notice that I said tough, not hard - was playing for Michael Jackson, making the afterbeat the same. It's got to be the same for the whole tune. It can't be a loud rim shot, and then the next one medium loud, the next one soft, the next one loud. It's got to be consistent. But he's a good player, exciting, and also a good player. He's the one that taught me how to say, when the kids ask you how old you are, you tell them - in those days, I was not quiteyet - but he taught me how to say, "I'm 40 years old on this leg and 40 years old on this leg, and the middle leg stays constant all the time. " He taught me how to say that. So I put that on Leon "Leon "Ndugu" Chancler" Chancler.