He sold a lot - quite a few records. But Topsy, that's something. But he was a great drummer too. He knew how to play the snare drum. When I say that, I mean, a lot of drummers play just the cymbals for time. Very few drummers can do what Baby Dodds did, playing press rolls and make it swing, not make it sound too militaristic. That's why, when Gene Krupa learned how to play drums, his influence was Baby Dodds. He wasn't going to be a drummer. He was studying to be a priest. When he heard Baby Dodds, he looked up, held his hands, and said, "Lord, I'll be with you shortly, but right now I'm interested in Baby Dodds and playing drums. " He told me that. Gene Krupa told me that. [? ] could play the snare drum.