That's a good analogy. I go way back to when me and the Rendevous Club with a quartet. I played with them every Tuesday night. After I did that for two or three years, I was ready to go join Benny Goodman's band. I was ready to swing, because I knew  what swing was all about. I knew what was playing - the saxophone player, playing for a trumpet player, playing for a piano player. I gained all that knowledge. That enabled me to become where I am today. Then also the fact, what you brought up, the educational part of it. The young kids are being educated properly for music, but they don't know the spiritual part of jazz. They haven't - it's like Pearl Bailey used to say - when somebody was interviewing her, she'd say - the interviewer'd say, "You always refer to `join the club. ' What do you mean by that? " She'd always use that when somebody was interviewing her that didn't know what they were saying - didn't know how to interview her. Then she'd finally say - the interview would say, "What do you mean by `join the club'? " She said, I can't tell you, because you haven't paid your dues yet. " When you think about that - players have to pay their dues to reach a certain element. They have to go through the educational part, yes, but you have to - you're not going to get that road experience too. You have to know what it was like to play in clubs and play with different players that have gone through all those obstacles which make them a great player.