That's another thing I wanted to ask you about. The concept, the difference between, as we know it today with pop culture, the difference between an artist and an entertainer.  Because when I look at some of the earlier great jazz musicians, to me they were both.  What they did it was art, it was beautiful, it was so beautifully constructed, and yet it was entertaining. And now it seems like we have entertainers that get paid exorbitant amounts of money to sing or play about things that don't have much merit. There is so much raunchiness in today's music. And to me jazz is a more beautiful form of expression that runs closer to the authenticity of art. Could you talk about that for a moment? Well contrast or compare some of your own experiences.