I used to know. It was Mississippi or somewhere. But he wasn't a slave. I don't know how he maneuvered that. My grandma-- I don't think they were slaves. They moved to Michigan a long time ago before I was born, two or three years before my youngest aunties were born. They were up there. So I don't know if they were a part of the underground or some movement, but they moved up there many years before I was born, and I was born in 1926. So I don't know.