Ella. And Sarah Vaughan had pipes that - you know, please God. But they all went in a different way. They would go with the music. They knew more about music than I did. I don't know squat about music. I don't know anything about it. I don't read it. I can't play it. I just have ears. They were more musicians. And Carmen was a musician, Sarah. They were jazz singers, to me. Then, as I say, I sang a lot of pop things. But it took a long time before the jazz singer happened. They didn't - I was still working in supper clubs for many, many years after that.