Well his musical taste. See he played different ways for different people but his band was his band. He was going to do his thing. But he was Count Basie's favorite drummer and Jo Jones and Shadow Wilson were great. For me it wasn't the speed. Because you can get rudimental drummers out there that play in a marching band, they can go [scats]. It was his taste and the daring, exciting way he played to make fills. He would make drum fills that you wouldn't know where they came from. It was like a waterfall. He could just, never practice, never had drumsticks in his house, he'd play on anybody's set of drums, at any time. You could wake him up at four in the morning and go [claps] and he'd be there today. He could just do it. I mean I've seen him come up through -- he had slipped discs. And I seen him come up to the drums like the Hunchback of Notre Dame, he'd come up like this and sit down. It was like mind over matter. He forgot that. Or wisdom teeth being pulled. He could just do that. And the great story is when he broke his arm.  You know he played with one hand. You know that don't you?