No. They were doing an experiment, going against it purposely to try to - but our natural way of breathing, our natural heartbeat. That's what I found in John Coltrane. He was a very spiritual guy. It was something. It's almost like you couldn't put it into words. You could put in a lot of words, but a lot of words don't always mean, to me, don't mean that much, but the feeling. There was a certain thing that was there that it's hard to find. spiritual element.