But that's just one instance. In 1973 now, I'm sitting in a counter in Yugoslavia. I can't even remember which city it was. Backstage. Because you know they have a place for artists to have a drink and some food backstage. But people from the theater can come back through a door and you can get into the theater through a door. And they were standing there with stacks of LP's. And I signed each one. And Norman, sitting beside me right here at the bar, and I said "you know you are very much responsible for this, you know. " Now they didn't know that I knew that between him, Voice of America and Armed Forces Radio, the stuff like that. Your experiences with him had to be ...