Well you know, as Ray Brown said in the video of some time ago, I always believed that a group as small as a trio could stomp as hard as a big band if they were all doing the right thing. And that's the way we used to operate. You know we'd go in, I won't call any names, we went into Basin Street for instance, opposite a big band, a well known big band. And we finished our set and the leader got up on the stand and said "we don't know what to follow that with. " Because we were really stomping in our own medium. We weren't trying to do what they were doing, we were doing what we do best, in our own medium.