We were all -- everybody knew who Percy Mayfield was and Louis Jordan. It's like it is today. You can only show what you know. It's the ones who go before us that make it possible for us to do what we do. I didn't know Dizzy Gillespie yet. This is before I met Max Roach and the music they called be-bop, but I did meet Billie Holliday and Louis Jordan and Duke Ellington.